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Copying is a fundamental part of creation. Our culture is lessened and our suffering will only increase as greedy corporate interests try to own and control all copying.
Here we go trolling again.
Here we go trolling again.
I am of the admittedly biased opinion that the only people that think intellectual property is a problem are people who don't have any. If you really think a person shouldn't get credit for their ideas, it makes me think you've never had any good ones...
Just because Leonardo copied a drawing of a friend, does not make him any less great of an artist...
Sure it does. Copying isn't art. It takes great technical skill, but it isn't a creative endeavor.
Assuming, of course, that this author is correct about two men who can't explain themselves, give context, or contradict anything.
JE-SW: Well, this particular drawing not withstanding, somethin tells me 'ol Leonardo has enough other credits to his name in terms of painting, sculpting, inventions, architecture and science in general, to keep him in good standing for at least a few more centuries to come.
I don't think this particular drawing is going to damage the popularity of, oh say, "The Mona Lisa", or "The Last Supper". Just a thought.
The article doesn't show a picture of the supposedly earlier drawing, but it clearly describes it as inferior and not fully conceptualized as a single unit, as DaVinci's was, therefore, although both of them were inspired by the much earlier writing of Vitruvius, and Leonardo's drawing may have been inspired by his collaborative conversation with Giacomo (or whatever the other guy's name was), and the viewing of G's 'rough draft' attempts, DaVinci's is the masterful visual realization of the concept and he deserves the credit for accomplishing it.
Absolutely,
just the general concept of copying vs. creating...it would take a lot more hits to hurt him.
This was a sketch in a notebook. He can copy anything he wants to in that context.
Besides, they were both working from an existing 1500 year old idea. Neither was original.
His buddy should have sued for copyright violations.... its not too late!
Credit where credit it due, fairness is an integral part of Science.
"When the legend becomes fact....PRINT THE LEGEND"
tHE PUBLIC MAY NOT WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH!
You gotta LOVE a "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" reference! ;)
This image was sent on the Voyager probe into the universe along with other representations of our planet and species. Aliens that see it are going to come here and wonder how we all got so fat.
and i was just watching the x-files. lol
no, they are going to wonder what happened to the four arm and four legged humanoid in their picture that is nowhere to be seen.
And they'd also wonder what happened to our other 2 arms and 2 legs....lol
Actually, this picture was not used. It was an illustration of a nude man and woman. And as far as being fat, speak for yourself.
what i don't get is why it doesn't show the other artwork that he supposedly "may have copied". how do you make a case with nothing to see?
They probably aren't showing the "original" drawing because it's a stick figure.
Here is the link to the other drawing.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/The-Other-Vitruvian-Man.html
Follow this link for a peek at the other Vitruvian Man.
Because that is hard to do when the story is based upon a press release, and the other drawing was intentional not shown to encourage us to watch the show! LOL
Thanks for the link. A much better article as well. It is clear from the picture of the other guy's drawing that Da Vinci's drawing is far superior to the other drawing.
Here's the thing. This is a drawing from Leonardo's own "personal" sketch book. We're not talking about a painting or a sculpture he created for the public. Whether it's a drawing he saw from one of his friends and thought it was cool and added to his own "personal" sketch books or not really doesn't matter. It was Leonardo who became famous and then after he died, it was his own "personal" sketch book that people took note of and saw this drawing and so it became famous because of the artist's fame.
and if he hadn't "copied" it, it probably would have NEVER been known, especially to this day.
The key word is Similar! so what if it resembles another artist work, something that inspired him and he made a drawing of it, for his own reasons. why do some of you have a problem with this. its not like he was infringing on some copyrighted material and mass distributing for profit. it was 800 years ago or so. back then if you wanted a copy of something, you made it yourself! not like he could tell the friend to make a xeroxof it and fax it over. and why didn't they show the other drawing, could it be that it was of poor quality. I had one I made myself but it featured a stick man, and my sq was centered in the circle. I better find it and destroy it before someone sues me. doodoling now days can be so dangerous,
Plus, they BOTH copied it from the ancient Greek!
It was originally directions on how to make snow angels.
Did you know that snow angels are actually doorways through wich Damien's minions can traverse the earth/ hell barrier. Da Vinci painted a snow angel below the granite of the Sistine Chapel. Should you place this sketch directly above it you will unleash the apocolypse. Just an FYI.
Hmmm!
That's colorful fiction!
Did you write it?
Your Friend,
Johnny Radionic (TM)
the look at me ...look what i did...
its not that we are greedy and need attention . maybe those days are now but not back then ...today we have everything patended so we can sue anybody for a great idea ...look at all the i-pads i-touch wars
I agree with JessK88. Where is a pic of the other art work?
Its also possible the friend made the prototype and asked him to draw it for him. lets see the other picture!
There's a link in 6.3
Greg, follow the link in post 6.3. Thanks, Jane.
Thanks, will do.
And this is going to change how we look at the world 522 years after the fact, how?
Well, that's an exciting thing to discuss. :) It's just another part of history probably being over analyzed. But still cool non-the-less!
Plagiarism plain and simple. Walt Disney actually did the Sistine Chapel and Mike painted over it. It's true, it's in the Bible.
all art is, at it's core, immitation.....inspiration from one artist to another through history.....
during those times, those drawings would have been viewed as heresy by the pope, since the world was flat and the center of the universe.
so its likely that davinci made a copy of the master piece, because he knew the church would likely confiscate the original.
The "Vitruvian Man" concept was widely known to most scholars at the time, so whether or not DaVinci "copied" the drawing or they worked in concert is irrelevant. The concept belonged to neither. For all we know, the two guys took their respective drawings to the local "Italy's Got Talent" competition, DaVinci won, and the rest is history.
I wonder how da Vinci got Jesus and the apostles to all sit on the same side of the table for "The Last Supper".
I don't know. It happened that way at my house too. Last New Years, we were all under the table by the end.
Jesusiswatching: It was the only way they could all see the big screen tv!!!!!!!!!!!
"Its blueperints to a man rape machiene"
from "Family Guy's Peter Girffen"
Both of them simply made a drawing based on a very clear ancient description of this figure.
this is mildly interesting. I care enough to make a comment, but not enough to make a good one. You should see how I fit on a straight line. Mind you, I am not saying I can walk a straight line, but fit fine on one lying down. For those who wish to also try, stay away from the white or yellow lines in the road.
What if the lines on the road are the only ones available? would you recommend the yellow over the white?
it doesn't matter much. however, if you have scoliosis, try to find a bend in the road.
It is great that we are still looking into these ancient masterpieces. I am not highly educated but i thoroughly enjoy history and art and i think they are the key to enlightening our younger generations.
That and new frontiers in space. we gotta have some goals in order to grow, and challenges to give us purpose. or something like that.
I have probably viewed this drawing a 100 times in my life time but it just dawned on me: Yes, well proportioned but not so well endowed. LOL
Dude, it was very cold in the studio when master da Vinci was drawing this figure. Yours would have shrunk too.
Why didn't he use a woman it would be easier to look at. face it gonads are ugly! the other drawing at least had a wrap on the guys waist.
of course Leo stole it as his own ,and most likely stole any thing he could put his hands on to make a buck. I wouldn't doubt that all of the drawings he claimed were his were all done by others ,even his so called inventions. hey it still goes on today , people steal others ideas. so whats new.
(Bill Gates... and the nutty Facebook inventor are not bad examples.)
And of course with your historical knowledge you can say on this day "of course he stole it" what do you know?
what does anyone know. were all these scholars that claim all this work is by Leo around then? of course back then as today if you had a few connections in the right places you could put your name on anything and say you did it. get real like this guy could paint ,I doubt it .
I've never understood what the big deal was about this drawing. Draw a figure, then draw a square around it, then draw a circle over that. Hey, go the extra mile and draw a triangle, and then a hexagon! People hundreds of years from now will hail you as a genius! You cracked the 5th dimension brah!
As an artist I know that ideas are sometimes discussed and shared. This concept also has apparently been around for a millenium or so. Who made the original sketch is irrelevant. Who made the most beautiful and iconic one is.
The fact that the other had false starts and Leonardo's does not is all the proof you need that he didn't copy it
I think you've got that backwards. The fact that Leo's is crisply executed could be taken as evidence that he had seen the other guy's 'rough draft' of the concept, then did a final perfect version in one shot.
It could be that Leo is just a better artist/architect/engineer, or that he trashed his own rough draft.